Andrew Soh wrote:I will post some photos of Blue diamonds tomorrow as it is late now...here in Singapore.
I don't know how Martin came to that conclusion, maybe you can check with him. I am really sorry...as I don't know how he did his research. I remembered on one topic about stress-bars, He mentioned about the different types of stress bars and he stated there were Barless, Nine Bars and 14 bars only. But it has been for a long time, way before he wrote the catalogue, that beside those few 3 bar phenotypes, there are also the existence of 6 bars, 11 bars and 21 bars phenotypes running around in the market. Just wondered why he did not include them. Most likely he was rushing and missed certain information.
The first and only blue mutation was called the Blue diamond spontaneously appeared in Hong Kong in 1990 by Low W.Y.. At the same time, my own barless full blue-color mutation also came out spontaneously around the same time and I called mine 'Pelmut discus'. IT is barless but the blue is more intense and upper and lower body were of two tones. But mine did not get popular due to some domestic problems. A while later, Malaysia bought stock from overseas, from Hong Kong through Japanese customers, one being Marina Corporation, the biggest and the hottiest buyer of Penang discus at that time and from that Malaysian Blue diamond was born and that was in 1992.
From there on, people used that blue diamond to cross and improve the scales...using very fine scaled discus of different strains to improve the smoothness of the bodily scales and Malaysians using the Cobalt to cross with Blue Diamond. Through that, finer scales and lighter body coloured Blue diamonds appeared. One of them that was concentrating on improving that smooth phenotype is Wayne of Hong Kong and he also tried to improve the body shape of his discus.
.....and it is a known fact that when you cross a barless with another strain, the barless phenotype disappear in F1 because it is recessive. And years later when the 'new' barless full colored discus with new characteristic reappear, the IGNORANT will call it a different mutation. But to me, that is an improvement of an old mutation.....something like the differences between Albino Alencer, Albino Snake and the Albino RGD we have today....they all come from the same ancestor......so ....so are Blue diamond, Pelmut discus, Blue cover, Ocean green and the many others ...including Albino Blue Diamond. You won't call 'Albino Blue Diamond' a new mutation ....do you?
Hope that explain my observation and is not to discredit Martin's view and research. Forgive me if it sounded like....that is not my intention at all. I have to be honest and diseminate what I know.
Take care,
Andrew
Hi there Andrew.
"Hope that explain my observation and is not to discredit Martin's view and research. Forgive me if it sounded like....that is not my intention at all. I have to be honest and diseminate what I know"
No disrespect to Martin at all. I have big respect for his work. its a big subject and easy to miss something, or forget to bring some facts to the biggest and complex subject...
But i have some stressbars issues as well from the book that dont add up for me, some of them is just from the part of solid blue once...
Anyway...
From the book i understand the different between the solid blue is the eye, ( except the shade of blue) eye phenotype
Ocean green can have orange and yellow eye as well from the red once
Blue diamond have red eye.
Blue cover have deep red eye.
Little bit confused on this one i have had BD that have yellow eye and dark blue... and i have seen a lot of BD that have yellow eyes... should we take them as ocean green? I thought ocean green where a BD X Golden (Simplydiscus university) and from that the lighter shade of Green /Blue color.... in the end line. What are the genotype difference between them 3 solid blue once?
By the way.... Never seen a photo of a blue cover exept from the book.... Who where the creater of that line?
And the BD mutation, had it red eye from the start? No semi eye. And whats the story about the yellow eye BD if its ain't a ocean green?
Just a very interesting topic and no disrespect to no once. every one have there own view on subjects... same to Matte_g, he is always wrong and i say it to him all the time. but he say the same to me.. but we go along very well anyway
Thanks for your point of veiw Andrew