Stronger "strains" and BD discussions

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Re: Stronger "strains"

Post by Dizkuz » 31 May 2008, 20:41

Andrew Soh wrote:I will post some photos of Blue diamonds tomorrow as it is late now...here in Singapore. :blush3:

I don't know how Martin came to that conclusion, maybe you can check with him. I am really sorry...as I don't know how he did his research. I remembered on one topic about stress-bars, He mentioned about the different types of stress bars and he stated there were Barless, Nine Bars and 14 bars only. But it has been for a long time, way before he wrote the catalogue, that beside those few 3 bar phenotypes, there are also the existence of 6 bars, 11 bars and 21 bars phenotypes running around in the market. Just wondered why he did not include them. Most likely he was rushing and missed certain information. :blush3:

The first and only blue mutation was called the Blue diamond spontaneously appeared in Hong Kong in 1990 by Low W.Y.. At the same time, my own barless full blue-color mutation also came out spontaneously around the same time and I called mine 'Pelmut discus'. IT is barless but the blue is more intense and upper and lower body were of two tones. But mine did not get popular due to some domestic problems. A while later, Malaysia bought stock from overseas, from Hong Kong through Japanese customers, one being Marina Corporation, the biggest and the hottiest buyer of Penang discus at that time and from that Malaysian Blue diamond was born and that was in 1992. :2tubsup:

From there on, people used that blue diamond to cross and improve the scales...using very fine scaled discus of different strains to improve the smoothness of the bodily scales and Malaysians using the Cobalt to cross with Blue Diamond. Through that, finer scales and lighter body coloured Blue diamonds appeared. One of them that was concentrating on improving that smooth phenotype is Wayne of Hong Kong and he also tried to improve the body shape of his discus. :hura3: :hura3: :hura3:

.....and it is a known fact that when you cross a barless with another strain, the barless phenotype disappear in F1 because it is recessive. And years later when the 'new' barless full colored discus with new characteristic reappear, the IGNORANT will call it a different mutation. But to me, that is an improvement of an old mutation.....something like the differences between Albino Alencer, Albino Snake and the Albino RGD we have today....they all come from the same ancestor......so ....so are Blue diamond, Pelmut discus, Blue cover, Ocean green and the many others ...including Albino Blue Diamond. You won't call 'Albino Blue Diamond' a new mutation ....do you? :dontknow: :stick:

Hope that explain my observation and is not to discredit Martin's view and research. Forgive me if it sounded like....that is not my intention at all. I have to be honest and diseminate what I know. :hello2:

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Hi there Andrew.

"Hope that explain my observation and is not to discredit Martin's view and research. Forgive me if it sounded like....that is not my intention at all. I have to be honest and diseminate what I know"

No disrespect to Martin at all. I have big respect for his work. its a big subject and easy to miss something, or forget to bring some facts to the biggest and complex subject...

But i have some stressbars issues as well from the book that dont add up for me, some of them is just from the part of solid blue once...
Anyway...

From the book i understand the different between the solid blue is the eye, ( except the shade of blue) eye phenotype
Ocean green can have orange and yellow eye as well from the red once
Blue diamond have red eye.
Blue cover have deep red eye.
Little bit confused on this one :confus1: i have had BD that have yellow eye and dark blue... and i have seen a lot of BD that have yellow eyes... should we take them as ocean green? I thought ocean green where a BD X Golden (Simplydiscus university) and from that the lighter shade of Green /Blue color.... in the end line. What are the genotype difference between them 3 solid blue once?
By the way.... Never seen a photo of a blue cover exept from the book.... Who where the creater of that line?


And the BD mutation, had it red eye from the start? No semi eye. And whats the story about the yellow eye BD if its ain't a ocean green?
Just a very interesting topic and no disrespect to no once. every one have there own view on subjects... same to Matte_g, he is always wrong and i say it to him all the time. but he say the same to me.. but we go along very well anyway :garv:

Thanks for your point of veiw Andrew :wink1:
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Re: Stronger "strains"

Post by Andrew Soh » 01 Jun 2008, 08:31

But serious..
bd.. do you have the same growth on them
....what do you mean by this, poddan?

Danne, I think these three variations of BD are just the crosses the fishes were invoved either before or after the BD mutation sponteneously came out.

There is no strict rules as to whether which have what eyes...whole lot of crap.... :madgreen:

You are right.....BD can have yellow iris and so can others have red iris. If I am not mistaken, Ocean green didn't come out from a cross with the golden and not all have red iris. It depends on the crosses :dontknow: .....and I don't know the crosses some used because breeders don't tell...the truth. :stick:

If I am staying in a place and keep seeing fishes around me and not fishes in other countries, then I would sincerely and innocently believe that all those strains that I see around me must be born and created sponteneously around me :garv: :garv: :garv:

I have said enough, Danne....and I am sure you understand what I am trying to indicate. :wink:

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Re: Stronger "strains"

Post by Andrew Soh » 01 Jun 2008, 09:16

Attached a picture of an Albino Blue diamond....or would you like to call it 'Albino Ocean green???

Will attach more BDs later.

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Re: Stronger "strains"

Post by Dizkuz » 01 Jun 2008, 10:18

Thanks a lot Andrew for your point of view on this subject :hug1:
Very nice ABD lovely shape :heart5:


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Re: Stronger "strains"

Post by Andrew Soh » 01 Jun 2008, 13:08

Here are some Blue diamonds I got for my customers

Enjoy................

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Re: Stronger "strains"

Post by Poddan » 01 Jun 2008, 13:25

Yea! There is some nice ones.
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Re: Stronger "strains"

Post by Alex » 01 Jun 2008, 13:39

Really great fish Andrew! :heart5:
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Re: Stronger "strains"

Post by Andrew Soh » 01 Jun 2008, 15:12

Ya....thanks guys,

But we have to be honest, don't flatter, they are of very good shape but the iris is not of high quality, it is not red. :tumbdown:

Thanks anyway,

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Re: Stronger "strains"

Post by Poddan » 01 Jun 2008, 16:11

Think only Dizkuz and you had notice that about its iris. :grin:

All us others is just glad for pictures of nice fish.

Think the shape and size is far more importent.
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Re: Stronger "strains"

Post by Andrew Soh » 02 Jun 2008, 01:58

Ya....maybe..

But I am a perfectionist. :blush3: .......and that is bad,,,,hmmm... :dontknow: Don't like something or something not right, I will comment straight from my heart. :stick:

That's why whenever I write posts in forums......I am very straight in my replies and many times may hurt the feelings of those who heart is fragile :blush3:
Anyway, these discus are natural and are not unnatural. :2tubsup: ....no colour-feed, no crossing with Aliens, and no plastic surgery .

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